EDGE witnessed the media mayhem that only the Material Girl can create firsthand last Monday night when Madonna sat down with select members of the gay press at the Midtown Manhattan offices of her record label, Interscope.
Madonna sat down, face-to-face, with an intimate group of gay journalists to talk about her new album, her favorite collaborators, her favorite carburetors, and, well, just about anything and everything — except what she has planned for her next tour.
EDGE: I’d like to ask you about the process of the album — it is a great album, by the way — I know that you’ve generally stuck with one producer on the last few albums –
Madonna: Thank you. I try to…
EDGE: And this time you just let it rip with multiple producers. How was it different approaching it this way?
Madonna: I didn’t mean to work with so many different producers. First of all, I didn’t know that Avicii was going to have a life-threatening illness and disappear. So a lot of the songs that I wrote with him or his songwriting team, I ended up having to go out and find other producers to work on them, to finish the songs with me.
And then Diplo came along and I very much wanted to work with him, and he also wanted to work with me, but I didn’t know that he also was working with 5,000 other people and had to get on a jet and go to the other side of the world to play festivals and then go here and play that and then go here and do that — just getting him to sit still for a couple of days to finish a song was a challenge.
So I ended up working with a lot of young DJs and I naively didn’t think it through. Oh, it’s summertime — it’s the festivals, and they’re on tour, and I’ll be lucky if I get them for three days, so a lot of that had to factor in. OK, I can’t wait for three months for this dude to come back. I have to find somebody else.
EDGE: Was it ultimately satisfying? Or you wouldn’t do it that way again?
Madonna: Ultimately satisfying…? [Long Pause] If I had my way and I could do it again, I would make people sign an iron-clad agreement that they would stay and ensure they would not leave me until all the songs were finished.
ROUNDTABLE #2: You were forced to change album release schedule because of the leaks that happened last year. The next time you go to create a new album or film, is your practice going to change because of the way these new tracks [were leaked]?
Madonna: Well, I’m never going to put anything on a server and send information back and forth as had been done. That was the first mistake. That’s when we first realized that the music was being hacked on the server. But then the last leak came from a mastering lab and that was just a technician’s oversight. After everything had happened and everyone knew we had to crack down and be really super secure, someone sent the record on the server – AGAIN! My hacker’s very clever, obviously. It was not up for very long, but it was snatched. So I would never do anything like that again. Hand delivery.
ROUNDTABLE #3: Did it change anything about the way the album was — like how the tracks were sequenced?
Madonna: It changed EVERYTHING. First of all, it drove me insane and made me feel an overwhelming sense of anxiety, and it made me second-guess everything, because suddenly I thought, “Oh God, everyone’s heard all these demos” — because there were some demos that I actually liked the demo version of and I thought, well, they’ve heard the demo and now they’re going to be expecting other things. Then they heard the next level of versions and it kept making me think, “Should I change it or should I just leave it how it was?” I was second-guessing everything, rather than just choosing for myself and putting it out as I would normally, as an artist. It started making me think, I don’t even know which version I should be putting out!
Because some people were like [of the demos], Oh, I love it, I love it. And I was like, No, don’t love it because it’s not done. So it made me crazy.
ROUNDTABLE #3: It was devastating as somebody who has always admired your work, too, I thought, wow, what a horrible thing to do.
Madonna: Yeah, and also very confusing. Because a lot of these things were being shared on my supposed “fan sites,” and I was thinking, “Well, my fans should be supporting me and protecting me.” So I don’t know — the whole thing confused me…still does. And what [the hacker] did — he’s in jail in Israel — what he’s done is considered a white-collar crime, so I don’t even know what’s going to happen to him. I hope he goes to jail for a long time. But let’s not dwell on that stuff, though [smiles and laughs].
ROUNDTABLE #4: Of all the collaborators you worked with on this album, who was the biggest surprise — or was there a particular track that you felt was the most unexpected?
Madonna: Hmmm…I felt like I wrote a lot of good songs with Avicii’s writing team, and I didn’t expect that, because I ended up writing a lot of personal and very soulful songs with them, whom I refer to as my Viking Harem, who are all really wonderful, intelligent, soulful people, and they made me feel really comfortable. So I guess I felt like I was safe enough to write those kind of songs, and that surprised me.
EDGE: We’re all very excited about the upcoming tour. Can you give us a preview of what you have planned?
Madonna: No. [GROUP LAUGHS] Now why would I do that? I want it to be a surprise for you.
[Editor's Note: With some floor seats selling as high as $860 at Madison Square Garden - and others legally "reselling" as high as $8,155 at the same venue - without any arenas sold out or second nights announced thus far, perhaps a little teaser may have been wise and helpful?]
EDGE: I’ll accept that. Getting back to the collaborator issue, who do you feel — over the years you’ve worked with so many people — who’s pushed you the furthest as an artist, a writer, and a performer? Who challenged you the most?
Madonna: Well…[long pause]…I would say as a songwriter, working with Toby Gad — he really pushed me a lot. He was constantly questioning my choice of words and sometimes I would get really irritated with him. “Just because I like it, okay? Just leave me alone. The song is finished. Stop.” And then we’d be done and he’d send me an email, What about this one little word? He’d just drive me crazy. I’d be calling him an SS Officer, which he’s clearly not — he’s the sweetest, most lovely guy ever. He really pushed me.
And Diplo really pushed me. As crazy as everybody thinks he is – “he’s a fun party boy,” whatever — he really was particular about lyrics and praising me on my vocal performances. He pushed me a lot, too. Of course I don’t like it, but it served me well on this record.
EDGE: DJ Paulo, who did a remix of “Living For Love” –
Madonna: Yeah, yeah, he’s amazing!
EDGE: He’s going to be playing at Viva [at Stage 48 at 48th St. & 11th Avenue in Manhattan] in a couple weeks. If you want to go, just let us know. [GROUP LAUGHS]
Madonna: Is he really? What date?
EDGE: Black Party weekend, which I believe is March 21st, Saturday night?
Madonna: [To Publicist Liz Rosenberg] Am I here that weekend?
LIZ: Yeah, you may be.
EDGE: He is so amazing live! [The party is produced by] John Blair, who used to do Roxy Saturdays.
Madonna: Well, [Paulo] better drop “Living For Love” … or I’m not coming! [GROUP LAUGHS]
ROUNDTABLE #5: Thematically and lyrically, I would say “Rebel Heart” is a lot more self-referential than you’ve been in the past. During the process of the writing and the production, was that something you did maybe intentionally, or was it just part of the process, like you’re looking back on your career now?
Madonna: I don’t know, is the only answer I can tell you. I didn’t set out to write certain kinds of songs, I just set out to write GOOD songs, and that was the mood I was in and that was what I was channeling. Sometimes I was in nostalgic moods and looking back; sometimes I was in the mood to write a song as I was writing in my journal, and reveal certain parts of myself that I was ready to reveal.
ROUNDTABLE #5: You’ve talked in interviews about the way you approached this album was that you wanted to go about it in a singer/songwriter approach, and a lot of the songs are like that — without the production, all the [bells & whistles] — you could perform them without all that.
Madonna: Like when we run out of oil, and then we run out of electricity, I can just light a candle and strum my guitar and sing you a song, yeah.
ROUNDTABLE #1: I wanted to ask you about one of my favorite songs on the album, “Body Shop” –
ROUNDTABLE #1: What I love about it is that the method of music is folksy, like you said, and maybe a little bit like a lullaby, but then you listen to the words and they’re –
Madonna: Sexually provocative.
ROUNDTABLE #1: Was that your intention to contrast the instrumental and music with the lyrics?
Madonna: No. Again, it just happened. I was working with Toby Gad who spent a lot of time in India, and actually there’s a sitar — the song has a very Indian flavor to it — and I liked the idea: a car — the body of a car — it’s a kind of sexual metaphor — what you do TO a car, what you do IN a car — DRIVE. Lots of innuendos, lots of fun. I mean, we all love a really cute mechanic, right?
ROUNDTABLE #2: “Body Shop” is also one of my favorite songs. If you were a car, what type of car would you be?
Madonna: [Long pause] … that’s a good one … I’m probably a Bentley.
EDGE: I was going to say Lamborghini.
Madonna: Lamborghini…But I might be an Aston Martin. And then I might be a Jaguar. And then I might be a Cadillac. So it depends on what day it is. I’m not a Smart Car.
ROUNDTABLE #5: Back to the “Living For Love” video, is [this] going to be something we’re going to get to see again?
Madonna: You mean the cinematic aspect of it, and the storytelling aspect of it? I guess so. The thing about that song, it’s such a passionate song. I had to present it in a passionate way, and I used mythology to tell the story, with the story of the Minotaur – the matador – fighting for love. And the color red. And flowers. Horns, and death. And naked men. You know, the important things in life.
I don’t know. I don’t want to make every video the same. But I did love the richness of that video. To me it felt like a painting that came to life. That’s what I was trying to do. But I wouldn’t want to do that for every video. Like when I do “Bitch, I’m Madonna,” it’s going to be a whole different aesthetic.
ROUNDTABLE #5: Well, I’m glad that one’s getting a video! [GROUP LAUGHS]
Madonna: If Diplo has his way, there will be one.
EDGE: Last year when you dressed up as the Mother of Dragons for Purim, you looked amazing!
Madonna: Thank you.
EDGE: Do you watch “Game of Thrones?”
Madonna: Of course. It’s a family ritual. Besides “Game of Thrones,” which I watch with my kids — we all watch it together — it’s like a family bonding thing. The only other TV series I watch are “True Detective” and an Irish series called “The Fall.”
ROUNDTABLE #1: I wanted to ask you about Vene Vidi Vici — somebody talked about referencing your earlier work. Was it a trip down memory lane for you, or were you trying to make a statement of moving past some of those places where you were in the past, and are in a different place now?
Madonna: It was a trip down memory lane. To be honest, to be in this business for over 3 decades is — I don’t actually think about it that much. But a lot of the people that I worked with were asking me so many questions, like, What was it like — What was Keith Haring like? What was this person like? What was that person like? In a way, sometimes, I think I underestimate what I’ve been through, and what I’ve witnessed, and I think it was just important to do that.
ROUNDTABLE #2: At this stage in your career, what still frightens you?
ROUNDTABLE #3: Do your kids have a favorite song of yours?
Madonna: They really love “Bitch, I’m Madonna.” [GROUP LAUGHS] That’s my teenagers’ favorite song. My son David’s favorite song — he plays guitar — and he likes “Devil Pray,” that’s his favorite.
EDGE: With Truth or Dare, you kind of revolutionized reality TV. Any regrets about that?
Madonna: No, I don’t regret doing Truth or Dare. I guess people show what they want to show. What kind of life you are leading.
[AS THE INTERVIEW ENDS, LIZ PROCEEDS TO CALL IN ASSISTANTS FOR PHOTO SHOOT.]
Madonna: Should we stand up on the stage?
[MADONNA GETS MAKEUP TOUCHED UP]
LIZ: [TO ROUNDTABLE] You guys are not getting touched up, I’m just telling you.